Liverpool v Man U Gamethread
Have at it. Give 'em hell.
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Team
Reina, Enrique, Johnson, Agger, Skrtel, Spearing, Gerrard, Henderson, Downing, Kuyt, Suarez.
Subs: Doni, Carragher, Bellamy, Carroll, Adam, Shelvey, Kelly.
Never argue with an idiot. They'll bring you down to their level and then beat you with experience.
And both full teams
As the Guardian puts it well
Liverpool: Suarez.
Supporting cast: Reina, Johnson, Skrtel, Agger, Jose Enrique, Spearing, Henderson, Kuyt, Gerrard, Downing.
Substitutes: Doni, Carroll, Carragher, Adam, Shelvey, Kelly, Bellamy.
Manchester United: Evra.
Supporting cast: De Gea, Rafael Da Silva, Ferdinand, Evans, Valencia, Carrick, Scholes, Giggs, Rooney, Welbeck.
Subs: Amos, Berbatov, Park, Hernandez, Fabio Da Silva, Cleverley, Pogba.
Never argue with an idiot. They'll bring you down to their level and then beat you with experience.
Glad to see Carroll on the bench
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by Bromantic on Feb 11, 2012 12:31 PM GMT via iPhone app up reply actions
Suarez going to be booed mecelessly
Hopefully he can shove it up their arses.
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by Bromantic on Feb 11, 2012 12:36 PM GMT via iPhone app reply actions
Why did he have to do that?
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by Bromantic on Feb 11, 2012 12:44 PM GMT via iPhone app up reply actions
I guess we know what all the post match articles will be about
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by Bromantic on Feb 11, 2012 12:45 PM GMT via iPhone app up reply actions
Gerrard blew it.
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by Bromantic on Feb 11, 2012 12:47 PM GMT via iPhone app reply actions
Morning gents
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Don't see Enrique getting beat like that too often
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by Bromantic on Feb 11, 2012 12:51 PM GMT via iPhone app reply actions
Valencia has been doing that to damn near everyone the last couple of months.
That kid is FAST.
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Johnson looking good so far
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by Bromantic on Feb 11, 2012 12:52 PM GMT via iPhone app reply actions
Well this is turning ugly in a hurry.
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Enrique got lucky
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by Bromantic on Feb 11, 2012 12:54 PM GMT via iPhone app reply actions
So close Johnson
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by Bromantic on Feb 11, 2012 12:55 PM GMT via iPhone app reply actions
Oh my, Johnson
Absolutely should have had that.
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Oh Dirk
That was bad.
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by Bromantic on Feb 11, 2012 1:00 PM GMT via iPhone app reply actions
So was that pass to Carrick from Downing.
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Not a bad first 15 minutes for us
by RedTerp on Feb 11, 2012 1:02 PM GMT via iPhone app reply actions
it's been even, and they have done a better job capitalizing on every chance
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Need to keep good possession past the midline first
Other than the runs down the right, that’s been absent.
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Because they can press us with no fear of getting burned
who’s gonna outrun them?
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Suarez ought to be capable of it, but that's it
Still, even if Bellers was on the pitch, they’d need to figure out how to keep the ball better than they have so far. His speed would help, but only until Liverpool could make Manchester pay for their pressing tactics, and so far they’ve shown no ability to.
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Downing has been really, really bad so far.
Giving Enrique no support in defense, and providing no quality in attack. If this keeps up, it’s going to be a long match.
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They absolutely have been.
And Johnson’s been quite good as well. But given the fits that Valencia is giving Enrique, a poor Downing is a very bad thing.
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All the crosses have been poor.
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by Bromantic on Feb 11, 2012 1:12 PM GMT via iPhone app reply actions
Aiiiiiiiiiiiii...
Lucky there.
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Someone should tell the united fans he doesn't speak very good English
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by Bromantic on Feb 11, 2012 1:19 PM GMT via iPhone app reply actions
If Downing doesn't get more involved
Then Bellamy needs to come on at the half.
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by Bromantic on Feb 11, 2012 1:28 PM GMT via iPhone app reply actions
In other words, Bellamy needs to come on at the half.
This is as bad as I’ve seen Downing this year.
Oh, look, now he has a booking from a terrible challenge.
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Yeah. that should have sealed his fate.
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by Bromantic on Feb 11, 2012 1:31 PM GMT via iPhone app up reply actions
He's at least been helping in defense some
Downing has just been a fat sack of useless so far.
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Kuyt has been much better than Downing
That doesn’t mean he is playing great, but Downing has been piss poor.
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by Bromantic on Feb 11, 2012 1:34 PM GMT via iPhone app up reply actions
Kuyt has at least been around the ball
but he’s lost it a lot. Downing has been ???
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That's the point.
Kuyt hasn’t been good, but he’s still head and shoulders above what Downing has “contributed”
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Come on, really?
If this was a cup match against a minnow, I might buy that. But a league tilt against Manchester? If that’s the case, then someone needs to smack him upside the head, because that’s unacceptable.
He’s been unbelievably poor, period.
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Sorry
Too early, not enough coffee.
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You forgot the sarcastic font
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by Bromantic on Feb 11, 2012 1:43 PM GMT via iPhone app up reply actions
Very poor first half for Liverpool
Johnson, Agger, Skrtel, and Spearing have played well for the most part. Downing has been brutal. Hendo and Enrique haven’t been good. Gerrard has had to play super deep because of all the pressure Manchester is putting on. Suarez looks a step slow and is playing with too much emotion, and it’s costing him.
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I'll be shocked if he doesn't end up in the book by the end
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Surprised it hasn't happened already.
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I know, and he looks a step off even that.
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Man U/Liverpool
6(3) Shots (on Goal) 4(1)
4 Fouls 5
2 Corner Kicks 2
0 Offsides 1
56% Possession 44%
0 Yellow Cards 1
0 Red Cards 0
1 Saves 3
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Downing has to come off at half
Just a brutal first 45
by RedTerp on Feb 11, 2012 1:42 PM GMT via iPhone app reply actions
There was trouble in the tunnel at half-time too, according to Sky Sports. Patrice Evra tried to speak to Luis Suarez but Martin Skrtel got involved and the incident escalated. There was a scrum involving several players, stewards and the police and it took both teams about five minutes to get into the dressing rooms.
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As I said over at TBB
Hanbags….. Bet there were no punches thrown
by Sweet science on Feb 11, 2012 1:44 PM GMT up reply actions
Ian Darke going on about a fight in the tunnel
Be interesting to see what happened there. Suarez was surrounded by Agger, Skrtel, and Kuyt heading in to it, so I doubt any Mancs would be stupid enough to go after him.
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Downing came running out with the team
So he’s still in the match. Blech.
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Crap.
I really dislike that guy.
And we were singing hymns and arias... Much louder than Cardiff because we're in the Premier League!
by Never Leave College on Feb 11, 2012 1:50 PM GMT reply actions
Why is Downing still on the pitch?
He’s been horrible.
And we were singing hymns and arias... Much louder than Cardiff because we're in the Premier League!
by Never Leave College on Feb 11, 2012 1:52 PM GMT reply actions
Agreed. What in the world was he thinking?
And we were singing hymns and arias... Much louder than Cardiff because we're in the Premier League!
by Never Leave College on Feb 11, 2012 1:54 PM GMT up reply actions
Game over.
And we were singing hymns and arias... Much louder than Cardiff because we're in the Premier League!
by Never Leave College on Feb 11, 2012 1:53 PM GMT reply actions
Horrible, horrible passing in the defense led to that.
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by Never Leave College on Feb 11, 2012 1:53 PM GMT reply actions
WHat’s worse, the goal or the back to back close ups of both Wayne Rooney and Jay Spearing?
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too bad for spearing
Not sure we woulda come back from 1-0 anyway.
by RedTerp on Feb 11, 2012 1:54 PM GMT via iPhone app reply actions
Terrible delivery on that free kick by Downing.
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come on downing
That was horrible
by RedTerp on Feb 11, 2012 1:59 PM GMT via iPhone app reply actions
2-0 down and they’re still more or less playing Suarez alone up top.
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Not more or less, they are.
I’ve never loved the idea of him as a lone center forward. He can do it OK at times, but he’s much better with someone else to play off up there.
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Downing has been playing much worse since his mistake...
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And by Downing, I meant Spearing
Need more coffee.
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Thank god!
Downing out for Bellamy
Spearing out for Carroll
by RedAce on Feb 11, 2012 2:06 PM GMT via Android app up reply actions
This sucks...
This is what I get for waking up at 6:30 CST. Anybody here from the west coast? If so I feel bad for you
by RedAce on Feb 11, 2012 2:09 PM GMT via Android app up reply actions
My hand, it's raised.
Not a pleasant way to start the day, especially at this hour.
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:/
We could’ve been sleeping right now
by RedAce on Feb 11, 2012 2:14 PM GMT via Android app up reply actions
I likely would have been up before too long anyways...
… body being used to getting up soon for work and all that. But, yeah. Blech.
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his form lately has been exceptional.
by RedTerp on Feb 11, 2012 2:21 PM GMT via iPhone app up reply actions
Bellers and Carroll on.
Spearing and Downing off. Guessing a 4-4-2/4-2-4.
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I've lost count of the number of times we've given the ball away under little or no pressure.
It’s got to be close to eleventy billion though.
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by Never Leave College on Feb 11, 2012 2:08 PM GMT reply actions
hate to say it
But Suarez emotionally hijacked the entire team today. They look lifeless. He should have just moved on if for nothing other than being a good teammate.
by RedTerp on Feb 11, 2012 2:10 PM GMT via iPhone app reply actions
No, they've got 11 guys occupying a pitch.
I wouldn’t describe what they’ve been doing as playing football though.
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by Never Leave College on Feb 11, 2012 2:13 PM GMT up reply actions
Doubt that
I’m sure we’ll be looking for excuses… but that one doesn’t make a lot of sense.
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makes perfect sense
He set the tone… and the focus was taken away from the team’s goal.
by RedTerp on Feb 11, 2012 2:20 PM GMT via iPhone app up reply actions
Except they didn't look awful in the first half.
Nothing like this. I’ve something is to be blamed it has to be the “altercation” in the tunnel at the half.
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Exactly
IF he “set the tone” wouldn’t they have looked flat in the first half?
That’s not the reason.
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they played well for the first 15
Off of the emotion. Fell flat after that. Suarez made it about him… not the team. They had to expend energy and focus defending him in the tunnel. Came out with nothing after halftime.
by RedTerp on Feb 11, 2012 2:28 PM GMT via iPhone app up reply actions
Same would go for United
Did they not “expend energy and focus” in the tunnel?
I just don’t buy this excuse.
You really think Stewart Downing played the way he did because “Suarez made it about him… not the team?” Seriously?
Jay Spearing makes that pass because he’s busy worrying about Suarez not shaking someone’s hand?
Come on…
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downing was certainly terrible on his own accord
But Suarez fueled the opponents’ fire and detracted from his team’s focus. I am a big Suarez fan, but he should have focused on the game for the sake of his side.
by RedTerp on Feb 11, 2012 2:41 PM GMT via iPhone app up reply actions
After that display from Evra
I can see why Suarez refused to shake his hand. Even if there were no history I wouldn’t blame anyone for refusing to shake hands with that asshat.
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Liverpool is playing with absolutely no urgency right now.
Come on. You’re down 2-0 in a rivalry match. DO SOMETHING. Look like you give a shit. (I know they do care, but they’re doing an awful job of showing it at the moment)
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I honestly don’t even think they care anymore. this is awful.
by ianflo on Feb 11, 2012 2:19 PM GMT via Android app up reply actions
Adam on, Kuyt off.
Guessing a shift to a 4-3-3 with Gerrard pushing higher.
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no pain no gain...
This suffering in the last few years will only make the success sweeter in the future. Soccer is so tough because there are only 90 minutes all week and if it goes bad your week is screwed. I just can’t wait to shove it back up United’s arse.
Have the forwards even gotten a touch in the last 20 minutes?
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by JasonB on Feb 11, 2012 2:20 PM GMT reply actions 1 recs
Carroll had two right after he came on.
Otherwise… they might not have.
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This is just a nightmare right?
I’m holding out hope that I’m gonna wake up soon and the game won’t have started yet.
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And we were singing hymns and arias... Much louder than Cardiff because we're in the Premier League!
by Never Leave College on Feb 11, 2012 2:24 PM GMT reply actions
Well then.
That was unexpected. Let’s do that again, eh?
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not getting ahead of ourselves
but its a glimmer. Leta make the most out of these last 10
by ianflo on Feb 11, 2012 2:25 PM GMT via Android app up reply actions
So...
I was at the Houston Galleria Mall yesterday (after driving by BBVA Compass Stadium) and saw this Manure Utd fan wearing his jacket and I was telling my girlfriend how I pretty much hate any Man Utd fan. She told me the guy turned around and overheard me say that and it made my day :)
Oh my word
Hellacious shot from Johnson, great save by DeGea. So close.
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Probably so, still a good effort though.
Better than most of what we’ve seen at least.
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Suarez, you HAVE TO BURY THAT
I know it was flagged off, but he wouldn’t have seen that.
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Finally someone plays a decent ball into the box
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De Gea was probably shitting his pants
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Don’t anyone ever make the mistake of acting like Evra is the classy one again.
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I'm pretty shocked that Suarez kept walking and didn't do or say anything.
I’m damn glad too.
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Well in some ways I’m not surprised. He didn’t engage Evra all day.
If you’re going to snub him before the game, you have to do it after as well…
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Given his history of being a bit of a loose cannon I was worried he would do something dumb at the end.
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Evra all excited
he didn’t even score
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Well that was shitty.
Too little. Too late. Can’t say we even deserved the scoreline. I’m about done waking up for these 6:45 games. It’s not worth it waking up to watch Liverpool just shit the bed every time.
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Patrice Evra is a fucking clown.
What a disgrace to the sport.
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Evra more or less vindicating Suarez’s snub with that display. What a clown.
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If I had any reservations about being happy Suarez refused to shake his hand
They are completely gone now.
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I honestly think Suarez should have just politely shook his hand and moved on.
Put class in his face, and make his behavior look all the worse. Now they both just look like dicks in the general public’s eye.
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“Now they both just look like dicks in the general public’s eye.”
Well, they kind of are.
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fkn ridiculous
evras a loser.
by ianflo on Feb 11, 2012 2:41 PM GMT via Android app up reply actions
Evra the bitch
douchebag and the total ass at the end of the game. Why do that shit in front of Suarez? He was trying to provoke him is my guess
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Just like he tried to provoke him in the tunnel.
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Love Pepe
Did anyone see him storm after Evra after he was taunting Luis?
Evra is a c*unt. Was he late celebrating Rooneys goals?
Why is Macca analyzing the snub? I have to be honest I am not sure I would have shaken Evra’s hand.
by NC Nole on Feb 11, 2012 2:46 PM GMT via mobile reply actions
Looked like Skrtel was right with Reina, too.
And I think Macca’s producers told him to finally talk about it. He’d been trying to get Darke to shut up about it virtually the entire match.
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Yeah I saw Pepe do that.
I was damn proud of him. That’s exactly what should have happened too. Someone needed to do something and it needed to be someone other than Suarez. Bravo Pepe.
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There is a lack of critical thinking amongst those who analyze this beautiful sport. Suarez was labeled a racist and so henceforth Evra will always be the victim. No room for analysis, independent thought, or critical reasoning.
by jakesinger777 on Feb 11, 2012 2:47 PM GMT up reply actions
And so, any reaction by Suarez will always be perceived as the condoning of racism, when in reality it’s defiance of injustice.
by jakesinger777 on Feb 11, 2012 2:49 PM GMT up reply actions
I won't be surprised one bit
If most media talks about the handshake and little to nothing is said about Evra’s sickening post game display. And I’m sure the shit that happened at the half will be put on Suarez too.
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It definitely appeared as thought Darke presumed that Evra approached Suarez as the peacemaker, simply trying to engage in enlightened discourse. We don’t know what really happened, but given Evra’s display after the match, it would be surprising if his approach was anything but hostile.
by jakesinger777 on Feb 11, 2012 2:52 PM GMT up reply actions
My thoughts exactly.
Even if he made it look as though he was trying to be the peacemaker, I have no doubt it was done in an attempt to get a rise out of Suarez.
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on ESPN as well
all commentary was about how evra “simply wanted to speak with Suarez” at the half portrayed as innocent sportsmanship.
the fact that others had to get involved shortly after just makes me think that it was prolly a little more ill intentioned.
fk outta here.
by ianflo on Feb 11, 2012 2:56 PM GMT via Android app up reply actions
I just don’t get how everyone expects this all to be water under the bridge. Is this an English thing or something?
This wasn’t something that happened last season. Suarez just got back last week. And he’s supposed to say all’s well now?
Geez, give him some time to get over it.
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shitty match
No pressure on the ball.
No fire from any of the players uninspired nothing from anyone.
Sad commentary that Charlie was the only one hustling and pressuring the manc players.
Only two good chances glens miss and luis’s goal. Sad. Please don’t sugar coat this one kenny our side is shit.
by NC Nole on Feb 11, 2012 2:53 PM GMT via mobile reply actions
How long before Macca refuses to announce Liverpool games?
Every time he sounds more and more disgusted with them. At this rate it’s only a matter of time before he storms out of the booth in the middle of a broadcast.
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I thought he was about to a couple times in the second half.
He just seemed incredibly frustrated with how poorly they were playing. I don’t blame him. I threw up my hands in disgust more than a few times in that half.
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You guys will think I am kidding
But I am over Downing move bellers to the left put dirk on the bench give Raheem a run on the right wing. Fuck even try Joao.
Not having Lucas sucks if he is in the match Rooney does not score his second.
Also stevie had to play the dmf in the last 30 which didn’t help
by NC Nole on Feb 11, 2012 3:03 PM GMT via mobile reply actions
I have no problem with Downing take up bench on a more regular basis.
I’m also over Kuyt. I want to want him on the field but I just don’t anymore. His work ethic simply doesn’t make up for his poor touch and passing. I find myself swearing at him way more than cheering for him these days.
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Downing
Was excellent the first month or so of the season now he looks like shit. He has moments but for 20M he needs to be more consistent.
Rumors of 10M for Kuyt during the summer from fenerbache, if that is true I say cash out on him and either pay for a good right wing or give raheem a run.
by NC Nole on Feb 11, 2012 3:24 PM GMT via mobile up reply actions
anyone over kenny?
or is that just me
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His tactics are suspect sometimes. I never expected his appointment to be permanent I figured if he got us to europe then fsg would start shopping around for a top notch manager. I have to say I would welcome murhino.
by NC Nole on Feb 11, 2012 3:33 PM GMT via mobile up reply actions
I hate to agree, but I do
I have to say I would welcome murhino.
The way it’s going now, I expect Kenny to step down at the end of this season.
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by beast in bama on Feb 11, 2012 8:09 PM GMT up reply actions
The only thing I blame Kenny for are the shit players he has signed. If he’d actually bought quality players instead of Downing and Carroll and a few others, who knows where we would be. Maybe we’d actually challenging for a top 4 spot. This team is a bunch of half rate depth players. I’d say, Kenny has actually over achieved with how little talent he’s got. Because they were stupid and didn’t buy anyone in January, I have written this year off. Win the FA and Carling Cups and go bring in a number of quality players this summer. If they are not top 4 next season, Kenny has to go.
The first person who has got to go is Damien Comolli. Dude is simply atrocious at his job. The sooner he’s gone the better.
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by Mitchell Green on Feb 11, 2012 9:12 PM GMT up reply actions
He's certainly earned the right to go out on his own terms
This year, at least. I’m thinking he might not want to put up with all this Suarez shit another year. I certainly couldn’t blame him. Despite his public support of Suarez, after today I wouldn’t be surprised if Kenny tells ownership, “It’s him or it’s me,” this off-season.
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by beast in bama on Feb 11, 2012 10:42 PM GMT up reply actions
kenny
Has had some weird tactical decisions. Even he cannot be absolved. Why play luis up front alone? Why play downing and not bellers even on 5 days rest?
Dumb decisions by kenny not just once but repeadely. I am afraid a cup win will mask the true cracks
by NC Nole on Feb 11, 2012 10:52 PM GMT via mobile up reply actions
I too am getting to that point.
I haven’t completely given up on him yet, but it’s so frustrating when he trots out a lineup like today and then refuses to sub or make any adjustments whatsoever until it’s too late.
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I have been saying this for a long time now. It’s painful how bad he is.
"Jagr doesn’t have moves. He has grizzled old man power. He bends reality to his will with a scowl alone." - BannedStreetBully
Opposing Ilya Bryzgalov as Philadelphia Flyers' goalie since June 23, 2011.
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by Mitchell Green on Feb 11, 2012 3:54 PM GMT up reply actions
Hopefully you all saw that ManUre fans were trying to bring this into OT to hold up:

Police were confiscating them as well as offensive t-shirts outside the stadium. Classless to say the least.
"Jagr doesn’t have moves. He has grizzled old man power. He bends reality to his will with a scowl alone." - BannedStreetBully
Opposing Ilya Bryzgalov as Philadelphia Flyers' goalie since June 23, 2011.
@Mitchman88 on Twitter
Apparently, according to Sky, Evra tried to follow Luis into the LFC locker room at HT. What a friggen douchebag. Gosh, I hate United and everything to do with them. I think Man City just became my second favorite team. I will be actively cheering for them to win the league so that ManUre’s season is a complete failure. I’d love to see Evra running around, celebrating then.
"Jagr doesn’t have moves. He has grizzled old man power. He bends reality to his will with a scowl alone." - BannedStreetBully
Opposing Ilya Bryzgalov as Philadelphia Flyers' goalie since June 23, 2011.
@Mitchman88 on Twitter
So apparently people are circulating proof that Suarez put his hand out to Evra and Evra pulled it back...
… before the whole weird arm-grabbing thing. If true, that just makes Evra look even more like a douchebag than he was managing before.
That said, I just wish this whole mess would go away. I’m tired of it. I just want to go back to football and leave the circus elsewhere.
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Yep. From Scouse Brethern...

Evra offers his hand to Jordan Henderson, who is right in front of Suarez in the handshake line.

As soon as Suarez approaches…

And I’ll say this. I’m not the biggest fan of Suarez’ histrionics on the pitch. And he really didn’t need to fire the ball like he did at the end of the first half.
But this is pretty clear evidence that destroys the media’s narrative that Suarez pulled his hand back.
And it makes Evra out to be an even bigger douchebag than he already was prior to today.
Also, fuck whiskey nose!
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by Brandon Bibb on Feb 11, 2012 5:50 PM GMT up reply actions

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