Capello Quits
by SamFels on Feb 8, 2012 8:39 PM GMT
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Not a Liverpool story, but a huge story nonetheless. Fabio Capello resigned amid the John Terry silliness today, and it looks like Harry Redknapp is the favorite to take over. Whether that's on a part time basis until the Spurs season is finished or full-time, we'll just have to see.
You can't help but laugh at the FA. This Terry business, much like the Suarez affair, could have been handled months ago. But once again, they dragged their feet, and now are waiting for the actual courts. What silliness. Now they've lost a manager, created a divide in the squad -- there's no way Terry would be a popular man in the dressing room -- and pretty much once again torpedoed their chances in a summer tournament.
England lose here, because Capello is a wonderful manager. Sure, the World Cup was pretty much a disaster, but how many defenders were hurt? And how much talent does he really have to work with, when it gets right down to it? How would any manager do when Wayne Rooney pretty much didn't care?
What gets me is how John Terry managed to be captain when I don't think he even should be an automatic pick for the starting 11. He's nowhere near the player he was five years ago, and it's debatable how good he was then. At the top level, when ball possession means so much, Terry's ICBM launches up the pitch don't do anyone any favors. His lack of pace gets exposed consistently. Cahill, Dawson, King if he could stand up, eventually Smalling and Jones, Jagielka, even Lescott could arguably be picked ahead of him, as well as Rio Ferdinand if his back wasn't made of balsa wood these days. Why did this have to be an issue? He could have been stripped of the captaincy when he didn't make the team, which he very well might not have.
But this is England, where sense never gets to enter.
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I am shocked.
Listening to TalkSport via Sirius on the Drivetime Durham all they were talking about was installing Harry Redknapp as manager sooner rather than later now that his case has been resolved, but that was before this news.
I am really surprised by all of this. The only thing I can think is that he is extremely upset about how the Terry case was handled and how the captaincy decision was made for him and wanted nothing more to do with the FA.
"The trouble with referees is that they know the rules, but they don't know the game" -Bill Shankly
How do people have a problem with Terry being stripped of captaincy?
I mean if there was a ‘Most Terrible Person’ award for the Premier League, Terry would win it hands down. A racist womanizer that has an overinflated sense of self, good to know England has its priorities in the right place!
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I think he is more pissed about how they did it
It sounds like they didn’t consult him at all. Not to mention, Terry hasn’t been found guilty by a court of law or FA investigation either. I’m not saying JT didn’t do it nor will I ever defend probably the most despicable man in the Prem, but I think this is what upset Capello.
In all honesty, I can’t blame him. It means he wasn’t in full control of his team and selections that a manager should control; some muppets in a boardroom were making decisions that he had to live with. To quote Bill Shankly, “At a football club, there’s a holy trinity – the players, the manager and the supporters. Directors don’t come into it. They are only there to sign the cheques.”
"The trouble with referees is that they know the rules, but they don't know the game" -Bill Shankly
The board were doing Capello a favor by taking Terry out of the Captaincy. He could quietly stand by his guy, while the suits could cite national opinion. It wasn’t whether Terry was guilty or not, but just about the media storm that surrounded him. They didn’t name a new captain. And it would free Capello to get newer better younger and younger in central defense without having to give up his captain.
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You may feel that way
But Capello feels that his authority within the team was usurped and that left him in an uncomfortable position in his eyes. He clearly didn’t agree with the way it was handled and it seems as if he wasn’t even consulted. The real issue too is why did it take so long? Nothing has changed in the case.
The person that could have ended all of this is Terry by doing the right thing and resigning based on the evidence and the calls from the fans. He could have done this without admitting guilt as well.
He really is a despicable man, especially if you have never heard of number 7 on this list. It supposedly included stripping naked and vomiting as part of the act.
"The trouble with referees is that they know the rules, but they don't know the game" -Bill Shankly
If Capello felt that Terry still deserved to be England’s captain, then Capello was not fit to manage the squad.
More of Terry’s despicable-ness (some overlap with the bleacher report article): http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/opinion/blogs/mirror-football-blog/John-Terry-racism-row-The-England-captain-s-top-10-scandals-including-drug-dealing-dads-shoplifting-mums-sex-cheating-and-public-urination-article304737.html
Never argue with an idiot. They'll bring you down to their level and then beat you with experience.
I think Capello wanted the allegations to be proven first
on some level, FA or criminal, he wanted something to sack the man who claims to have done nothing wrong.
I agree that maybe in the controversy he should have told Terry he was taking it due to everything, but at the same time, we all asked that Suarez not be judged until due process was followed. How is this any different? In fact, due process was followed for Suarez and many of Liverpool fans and employees refuse to accept that decision.
"The trouble with referees is that they know the rules, but they don't know the game" -Bill Shankly
Because it’s different.
First, Terry didn’t deserve it because of his play.
Second, Terry didn’t deserve it because of his history of behavior, as referenced in the articles we both posted above.
But besides that? This isn’t a suspension. He’s still able to play for the national squad. But the FA has to worry about bigger things than that. Like sponsors. Like fans. Like media. Terry may be innocent until proven guilty in the eyes of the law, but that says nothing of everyone else’s eyes. Terry’s captaincy would have been the focus all summer. Not the team. His trial would’ve been the focus. Not the team.
That’s why Terry should’ve just been man enough to step down as captain in the first place. But it’s also why Capello should’ve been smart enough to strip him of the armband.
Anyways, to put a LFC spin on the discussion. With Terry out, and with Ferdinand not wanting the job, Gerrard has to be the top choice for the captaincy, right?
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I agree with most of what you said
All I am trying to give you is Capello’s reasoning. I agree that Terry’s play and behavior never warranted his selection as captain in the first place. There still would have been the same backlash (maybe not quite as much) if Capello had convicted him before the courts.
As for Gerrard, I don’t know. I think that they might actually go with someone younger who the team can build around for the future, perhaps a Joe Hart. If not Hart, then I would expect Gerrard, but the Captain has to be an automatic selection. Is Gerrard automatic given his injuries and the fact that he is still trying to get back to full form? I really don’t know, just questions I’m asking to hear what you guys have to say.
"The trouble with referees is that they know the rules, but they don't know the game" -Bill Shankly
Don't think Gerrard is the defacto choice
He should have been capitan the last 4-5 years IMHO. He is a fantastic capitan.
But I do think they should look to the future. I think if Hendo performs and becomes the star that we hope he does I think eventually he could be in the running. If I recall he capitans the u19 team or has.
Immediately I think Hart would be a nice choice.
Same here
if only because he should be permanently entrenched for the next 10 years or so.
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For what it's worth
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/16876876
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I still think this whole thing was rather odd
The FA have put their neck on the line in doing this. If, by some miracle or legal loophole, he is found not guilty, the FA board who made this decision for Capello should have little recourse but to resign themselves.
That said, I think he is guilty, but still, everyone is entitled to due process. I wonder if they couldn’t have all just sat in a room and convinced Terry that it would be the best scenario for everyone if he would just have resigned.
"The trouble with referees is that they know the rules, but they don't know the game" -Bill Shankly
The FA could still ban him though right? That was an argument made during the Suarez case – FA standards or guilt are not criminal court standards of guilt.
Bye Travis and thanks for 2010! Good luck with the Brewers!
That would require an FA investigation
Which hasn’t happened in this case. Terry proclaims his innocence (which I don’t buy) and therefore is innocent until proven guilty. They have bypassed all of that in this case.
Suarez was found guilty by an FA investigation with a lower burden of proof that likely wouldn’t have held up in a criminal court and was banned after due process.
This is a bad precedent in my eyes. I agree with all that he never should have been given it back after the Brigde affair, but he was and so now you have a FA board that clearly has a Jump to Conclusion Mat in their boardroom.
"The trouble with referees is that they know the rules, but they don't know the game" -Bill Shankly
by Bromantic on Feb 9, 2012 5:44 PM GMT via mobile up reply actions
And the FA doesn’t want to do an investigation until after the criminal case.
The FA can (and probably will) do their own investigation and suspend him if he’s found not guilty in the criminal case. It’s like when someone is acquitted in a criminal case but is found responsible in a civil case.
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Gerrard's certainly going to be if fit
But that didn’t go so well in South Africa, where his hero-fetish was in full flight. I think he may have attempted 407 shots from outside the box against Germany alone.
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Different processes and different roles
Different time scales and different burdens of guilt between the Suarez tribunal and criminal court.
And it’s different when you a talking about the role of Captain and the role of star player. Chelsea and Liverpool have every right to defend “their” guy and stand behind their teammate. Suarez isn’t captain of anything. It’s a public relations position, and he is ill suited for it. Same as Terry.
Bye Travis and thanks for 2010! Good luck with the Brewers!
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I ran and hid in Talk Sport after Green Bay lost only station where I did not have to hear about the Super Bowl :)
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Capello should’ve been out the day after England went out in the 2010 World Cup. Injuries are an excuse; the team played terribly.
There’s only one Friendly left until the end of the PL season. Redknapp’s going to be the guy. Whether he technically comes in on a permanent basis tomorrow or the day after the PL season ends, he’ll be the guy. Everyone wants an English manager anyways.
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Guys
), England do not seem to realize they have had English managers before and one seemed to say something horrible about disabled people, another was more concerned with his teeth and the other well the less said the better (Hoddle,mclaren and Keegan poxy traitor)
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by Sir-Drunk-A-Lot on Feb 10, 2012 8:52 PM GMT reply actions
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